NT reading for week of August 28th

Here’s what to read this week.
Monday Hebrews 5, Tuesday chapter six, Wednesday chapter seven, Thursday chapter eight, and Friday read chapter nine.

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12 Responses to “NT reading for week of August 28th”
  1. Tim Rich says:

    Back to chapter 4 for a moment…verse 12. How many times have we been misunderstood or blamed for something we said because we couldn’t put into words what we were really feeling. God knows what we are thinking and feeling because His Word judges the thoughts and intent of our heart. Jesus sees everything…

    • Dane says:

      I came back to that verse today after reading chapter five. It is so good that Jesus completely understands our weaknesses. That is welcome news. We can go to him with our issues and our sin. He does understand how we are susceptible to fail.

  2. Tim Rich says:

    We could spend the better part of a month discussing the Hebrews 6:4-6; your thoughts…

    How about this…the believing Hebrews were a group that had a hard time ridding themselves of the concept of salvation by works.
    Could Paul be saying that Jesus paid for your (Hebrews) sins with his death and resurrection, now accept it and move on…so to speak.
    So, possibly these verses are also saying that maybe the Hebrews were accepting “salvation by works” and so not actually being renewed with true conversions, and failing/falling with the urgent need to repent of their sins and be converted.

    • Dane says:

      This is by far the toughest passage to interpret. Let me get there tomorrow and I’ll write some. In the meantime Tim look at two resources at these links. http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Hebrews+6 Tim on the right column there are three buttons, click on “Constable’s Notes.” He usually has good quotes from other sources. The other is http://biblia.com/library . click on the “Summarized Bible: Complete Summary of the NT.” He has nice synapsis of each chapter. Finally grab a good Study Bible. There are usually great notes and thoughts in them.

  3. Tim Rich says:

    I read both resources…I feel that we need to take a “Gamaliel type approach” with Hebrews 6:4-6, and that is…only God knows if someone is truly born again (has a true conversion and accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior). The person that verbally accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior may not have had a true conversion and might not really believe…only God knows for sure.
    The doctrine of sanctification comes into play here…we may take the steps to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and still not know any more about Jesus than we did the day before, and with all the same bad habits. As we read and pray we grow in grace and sanctification.
    What if we fall down along the way? We’re human and we make mistakes…God will help us back up and urge us to move forward with his grace.
    Your thoughts,

    • Dane says:

      Tim you have some really good thoughts. It was interesting to read Constable’s comments. He think and so does John MacArthur that these are true believers who lose their salvation. The language does seem to at least hint at that. But both of those authors lean towards a Calvinistic view of Salv, which is interesting that they land on the fact that we have choice and can reject Christ.

      One interesting fact I see in the context of these verses is that there is mention in verses 7&8 that “thorns produce thistles and vegetation produces something that blesses.” So it seems like that is saying who you are on the inside (your character, your essence) is what you will produce. Jesus says it in the sermon on the mount. “you don’t go to a thistle plant to get grapes.” So that means that what the author is saying in verse 5&6 that a true believer can’t lose their salvation? …because true believer like a good plant will produce good fruit. It is not completely conclusive, but nudges me more towards that these folks weren’t true believers.

      One other thing I thought about… in the OT and in Romans 11:28 there is talk about a remnant. Only some of Israel made it to the promised land and only some returned from exile. Not all Israel was a true Israelite. I think there is a parallel here too.

      That said I am gentle in coming down too hard here on a brother who disagrees. It is the essence of the Armenian and Calvinist argument.

      Like you too Tim I love the push throughout Hebrews on the perseverance of the saints. Sanctification is something we must all work at. It is work to mortify the body. urgh!

    • Dane says:

      http://www.gty.org/Resources/Questions/QA198#.Tl2aIHPHwUw

      Here’s a good link about MacArthur’s views.

      I didn’t read this yet, but will tomorrow.

      http://www.bcbsr.com/topics/etsec.html

  4. Tim Rich says:

    Good Morning Dane,

    MacArthur makes some good points and he lists many scriptures in presenting his case that there are “wolves among the sheep that teach salvation is about works and behavior”.

    I’m just wondering if teaching Christians to do whatever they want and guarenteeing them heaven is a doctrine that could give us license to sin. On the other hand the opposite teaching of “conditional security” based on behavior could find us walking on egg shells and thereby losing our Christian libertys.

    My opinion on this subject is to teach that we look to Christ for our answers…pray and live with a fervency as if there’s no tomorrow for us, and live and work as if we’ll live to retire in happiness and contentment with Christ and our family.
    In that moment that we accepted Christ we were holy and pure before God, preachers and teachers should teach that doctrine…that we should live out our lives in the same state of purity and holiness that we had on our day of salvation. God is pleased that we are serving him in righteousness and I’m sure he is not pleased when anyone sins…He hates sin. So, to preach that sin whether from a Christian or non-Christian is ok, is definitely false doctrine. I personally don’t think I’d make heaven if I died while robbing a bank…God said he hates stealing.

    As the kids are saying today…”I’m just saying”

    • Dane says:

      I do agree with you Tim. Phil 4:12 talks about how we cooperate with God in our sanctification. “Work out your salvation…for it is God who is at work in you.” In other words, let us think about who is involved in our lives…God himself! Therefore I should work even harder at becoming like him, because who he is.
      I do like Hebrews strong push and warnings to persevere. None of the Hebrews knew who was not going to make it to the Promised Land. You can’t tell from the outside but it is an internal things.

      Thanks for the questions and thoughts. I has been fun to look again at that passage. See ay

  5. Tim Rich says:

    I re-read your comments Dane…I really like the analogy of the remnant of Israelites making the promised land, very profound !

  6. Dane says:

    Here’s today interesting push from Hebrews 9. In the ark of the covenant were: the manna, Aaron’s staff and the stone tablets with the Law. The ark was the symbol of this contract/commitment between God and man. The important things inside were the manna, which represents that God completely provides for His people. Aaron’s staff comes from a time in Israel’s history were they were rebelling against Moses’ authority and the authority placed in Aaron. God miraculously made Aaron’s staff to bud and the other staffs of the rebellious leaders not to bud. So the Lord is the source of authority that bestows on His chosen leaders. The stone tablets with the law are God’s expectation for us to stay in the covenant relationship.
    But think back to the first item, the manna. God provided it for the people every day for food. God provides for us the means to follow all the commands that the covenant demands. He did that by imputing Jesus’ provision of his perfect life for us on the cross. God still provides completely for us what we need for salvation. That is welcome news. Rest in Christ’s finished work provided for us on the cross.

  7. Tim Rich says:

    Reading Hebrews 7-9 :
    1. The priest Melchizedek (a type of Christ–the mediator of a perfect new covenant)
    2. Christ’s perfect sacrifice that takes the place of the blood of bulls and goats
    3. All wills are in force when somebody has died…the first covenant used substitute blood from animals over and over.
    4. Christ died once to do away with sin, forever. We read his Word, the spiritual manna, for daily strength

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